If England players must sing the national anthem at the football World Cup, it should not be ‘God Save the Queen’
With the football World Cup approaching, England manager Roy Hodgson is insisting that his players sing the national anthem before each game. We asked a number of democracy experts to share their views on Hodgson’s rule. In the first of a series of posts on this issue, we find a broad consensus that while singing the anthem may be a positive sign of patriotic feeling, ‘God Save the Queen’ is inappropriate for various reasons, including its religious and monarchist sentiment, and because it is a UK anthem rather than England’s alone.
David McCrone, Emeritus Professor of Sociology at the University of Edinburgh
God Save the Queen/King is a dirge, invented by Thomas Arne at the time of the Jacobite Rising in 1745 (hence the line ‘Rebellious Scots to Crush’ in the second stanza, no longer sung). It is quite unworthy of being the English national anthem, alongside something as good as Blake’s Jerusalem. This has the merit of not only being a good tune, but lacking in vainglorious triumphalism like Land of Hope and Glory.Mind you, we Scots have to make do with some awful stuff, including Flower of Scotland, and Scotland the Brave. The only peoples of these islands who have anything like the proper thing are the Welsh with Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers). So it’s about time that England recovered a great tune with proper words, and radical sentiments. ‘Til we have built Jerusalem on England’s Green and Pleasant Land’: unbeatable.
Graham Smith, Chief Executive Officer, Republic
Hodgson makes the common enough mistake of associating patriotism with the monarchy. Yes, he’s asking players to sing the ‘national’ anthem, but the dirge in question is not an anthem to the nation but a song about the monarchy. Patriotism is not a loyalty to state institutions but a loyalty to the nation – and it has to be a very personal thing, not something pre-determined by a football coach. A love of one’s country is clearly going to be felt in different ways by different people in this multi-cultural age.Clearly any atheist or republican – and there are millions of both in this country – would think twice before singing God Save the Queen. A national anthem should be about the nation, a celebration of the people and our achievements – yet God Save the Queen barely mentions the country at all. Instead we are beseeched to call upon God (not sure which one) to save an 88 year old monarch. It is a song born from 18th century politics that has no place in a modern society.
It is also an anthem for the whole union, not just England. As part of that union debates breaking away perhaps England should think more about its own unique identity and how that can be celebrated in a more meaningful way through our ‘national’ sports teams.
Sunder Katwala, Director of British Future
England will be the only one of 32 nations to play in the World Cup without a state to its name. Union Jacks fluttered around the Wembley stands when Bobby Moore lifted the Jules Rimet trophy in 1966. Since football came home for Euro ‘96, and the flag of St George came out, the English have increasingly appreciated that being British and English are not the same thing; something that the Scots and the Welsh always knew.So God Save the Queen remains the right anthem for Team GB, the brand under which the UK compete at the Olympics (despite Northern Irish sensitivities). We will keep our constitutional monarchy for as long as the broad social consensus in favour of it remains strong. But it helps neither Union nor Crown for one British nation to appropriate the civic anthem of our multinational state. An English anthem for our young, modern English team is overdue. It probably can’t be Football’s Coming Home. So Jerusalem would fit the bill perfectly.
Michael Kenny, Professor of Politics at Queen Mary University of London and author of The Politics of English Nationhood
The idea that footballers have to prove their patriotic fervour by singing along to a tune which emerged, in true British style, as ‘the national anthem’ because the political establishment decreed that it was a hallowed custom rather than an invented tradition, is a familiar part of the media hoopla that we have come to associate with any England World Cup campaign.But this tiredest of clichés could be turned on its head and transformed into a game-changing cultural moment if Roy Hodgson were to call instead for an English anthem to be sung by his team. Why not advocate that the young men, and women, who represent England at international sporting events get the chance to sing a resonant number that celebrates the iconic power of a sense of collective inheritance, and holds out the prospect of a radically re-made and reborn England. In an era of seismic change and accompanying uncertainties, and when a team that hails from a range of cultural and ethnic backgrounds suddenly becomes the focus for a nation’s excessive hopes and secret fears, surely we need William Blake’s Jerusalem not a clapped-out, energy-sapping dirge?
Those who think that an English anthem might play into the hands of nationalist enemies of the UK are seriously out of kilter with the national mood. Polling suggests that such a move would win the support of most English people, and would find favour with non-English peoples in the UK who have long been fed up with the English penchant for mixing up Anglo and British identities. More importantly still, as evidence grows that more English people are increasingly responsive to an English sense of peoplehood, and as this emergent sense of national sovereignty is currently being addressed in political terms only by UKIP, there is a growing need to provide new forms of meaningful recognition for English pride and identity within a reconstituted United Kingdom – one reason perhaps why some politicians, including the Prime Minister, have begun to support calls for an English anthem.
Democratic, lyrical and a thumpingly good tune; the echoes of Jerusalem might even make the penalties more bearable…
Norman Bonney, Emeritus Professor at Edinburgh Napier University and Honorary President of Edinburgh Secular Society
It is increasingly unjustifiable to expect team members to actively engage in singing the national anthem at international sporting events because of its invocation of a supernatural being. Social survey evidence now suggests that 19 per cent of the population say ‘there definitely is not a God or some higher power’ and 16 per cent say ‘there probably is not a God or some higher power’. Such figures are even higher among younger people who are generally more disengaged from religious faith. To impose participation in singing or even listening to the anthem is unworthy of a diverse liberal society.The UK, and England, clearly need new national songs that reflect contemporary values. Nor is it justifiable for England, alone, to appropriate the UK anthem. The monarchy website claims that only the first verse is used on official occasions – luckily this excludes the 1745 additional verse about ‘crushing the rebellious Scots’.
Andy Mycock, Senior Lecturer in Politics at the University of Huddersfield
Roy Hodgson’s request that those taking the field to represent England in the forthcoming World Cup matches must sing the ‘national’ anthem raises a rather awkward question – which nation’s anthem? Together with others, I have long-argued that there is an urgent need for those representing England to sing an English national anthem other than God Save the Queen.The current arrangements merely confirm an enduring Anglo-British myopia that, although slowly unravelling, still offends those from outside of England across the rest of the UK and politicises the British national anthem. This oversight needs to be addressed as the World Cup will in many other ways offer further evidence of a growing popular ascription to an English nationalism that has much to laud.
In my life time I have witnessed the popular embrace and normalisation of English patriotism during sporting occasions such as the World Cup, with the Cross of St George now flown with pride from many houses, cars, and pubs. Indeed it has become such a banal feature of public life in England that it now barely raises comment. Why not supplement this outpouring of sporting pride (and fatalism) with an English national anthem – Jerusalem being the most popular choice – that players and football patriots alike can bellow with pride?
Colin Copus, Professor of Local Politics, De Montfort University
Roy Hodgson is absolutely right to insist the England team sing a national anthem and with gusto. The sight of more demonstrative nations not only belting out their anthem, but covering their hearts with their right hands and even standing to attention, is testament to their commitment to their country’s footballing cause. Contrast that to the mumbling and embarrassed downward glances and shuffling of feet that often accompanies the England team’s rendition and we can see the winners already.But, the real problem for the England team is that they sing the wrong anthem: the British anthem. When was the last time a Scottish or Welsh team sang with gusto the British anthem and yet the England team and nation is refused the right to hear its own national anthem at exclusively English occasions. Personally I prefer a re-written version of There’ll Always be an England, removing the references to Empire and the colour blue (no blue in the English flag), but by popular accord Jerusalem should be sang by the English team: loudly and proudly. Even re-inserting into the British anthem the bit about ‘rebellious Scots to crush’ won’t do, because, well they’re not there are they. Nope, Jerusalem it must be and not just at the World Cup, but every time an English team plays anywhere and anything.
We have published follow-ups to this post with more expert views on the national anthem, considering its place in today’s multi-cultural society and the approach of the media. Click here to read more.
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Internet comment of the day https://t.co/u1ZBXksLCQ “No thanks, worst anthem ever.”
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Interesting debate – although please not Jerusalem! What about He is an Englishman from HMS Pinafore https://t.co/EiZ9zy6m59
@_daveo You’re ignorant as usual. https://t.co/dyGQiAXUox
(It’s Jerusalem, obviously.) https://t.co/80lSnnxnRm
So, when are the England football team going to stop singing the British national anthem, and find their own? https://t.co/80lSnnxnRm
AAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHH https://t.co/LHBZg0LuZ0
@EnglandRugby @FA @David_Cameron Time 2 stop whistling Dixie – support an English Anthem, just like @GregMulholland1 https://t.co/7wBeVZEPfF
So, it’s Jerusalem! If you believe symbols matter then we should adopt it – might just make some things better… https://t.co/JWObgIwakX
I personally feel the chorus from the Fight Song by Marilyn Manson would make a wonderful, uplifting, and suitable aggressive Atheist anthem.
Failing that why don’t we English take a leaf from the Maori martial traditions. If they can perform a Haka then English teams should be allowed to form a shield wall. Imagine an English team slowly advancing towards their enemy (Sorry, opponents) beating swords on the shield rim and bellowing “Out, out!” What a psychological edge that would grant an English team.
My supervisor, Mike Kenny, on whether the England team needs an English national anthem at the World Cup https://t.co/rp43cmXhho
If England players have to sing at the World Cup, can’t it be Jerusalem instead of God Save the Queen? https://t.co/iXxZo8NgzP
It’s about time that England teams sang ‘Jerusalem’ at sporting events and not that awful dirge of a national anthem https://t.co/UBKLZgEel3
Proof that it is possible to be very clever and very stupid at the same time. https://t.co/jwfhEmMjnl
The fact Roy Hodgson has came out and said that the English players “have to” sing the national anthem sounds really degrading to me for the people who don’t want to or just simply won’t.
A lot of players don’t want to sing the anthem, but you seem them mumbling it, for example players that didn’t used to sing it like Rooney, Gerrard, Milner, Johnson (those are just some I noticed in the past, as I would say “yeah, right on”). Some just plain and simple will not sing it, one of which is a man who is part of the England set up and will be out there in Brazil.
That man is Gary Neville. A man who (in my opinion) is a very patriotic about his country, every time he put that shirt on, he played his heart out for England. But before every single match he played for England he would put his head down and not open his lips during the rendition of “God Save The Queen”. That is his choice and his views, and he should be able to sing or not sing whatever the bloody hell he wants.
I like many other people hate “GSTQ” I can’t get passionate about it whatsoever. It’s got to be the worst anthem ever, it’s not even our national anthem. It’s complete rubbish. First of all, God. God is part of our national anthem, in a nation where the majority of people do not believe in that God.
Obviously it’s hard to get a definitive answer to who believes in which religion and whether they believe in God but are not religious and what have you. A study to the statements:
“I believe there is a God”. England were at 37%, the 10th lowest in Europe.
“I believe there is some sort of spirit or life force”. England were a bit higher at 16th lowest in Europe. While, for the statement.
“I DON’T believe there is any sort of spirit, God or life force”. England were 9th highest in Europe.
So for on them stats, for us to have “God” in our national anthem just seems silly to me. Ok, moving on to the the next part. “Queen” is mentioned. Now, many people in our nation hate the Queen, and I am not one of them. I personally don’t have a problem with any of the royals. According to me, the old ones seem a bit nutty, and the young ones seem to be very pleasant (as a whole). But I like many others do not agree with have a figure of authority just my birth right, I mean it’s 2014 when are we going to start acting like it. We are expected to bow down to these royals who shares the same DNA with a other royals who did horrible things and ruled over our ancestors viciously in the past. It just doesn’t seem appealing to me.
Now let me just say, I want an anthem everyone can be proud of. And everyone can sing at the top of their voices. I see the likes of the Italians (who England play the first match of the World Cup) belting out their anthem with so much passion! It’s a brilliant anthem to watch. I don’t particularly know what they are singing about, it could be something really horrible for all I know, but it’s something everyone on that team and in that nation buys into. And they go for it. Why can’t we have that?
This complete dirge of “Oh, this man in the sky who created earth in 7 days and did lots of other weird stuff. Yeah, can you listen to us please. Yeah, can you please save this old woman who is mega rich but just got that given to her at birth, she hasn’t actually done anything to deserve all this, but you know Save her please. She needs saving holy man in the sky, SAVE HER!” No thanks, worst anthem ever.
So to end things, Hodgson should shut his mouth and concentrate on making the players play football right. Not make them sing something they don’t want to. And here is the call for a new anthem (I don’t have any suggestions, but pretty much anything should be better than “GSTQ”). Lets have an anthem that sends a shiver down our spine when the lads sing it. Not this cringe worthy joke of an anthem we currently have!
Andy Mycock argues World Cup highlights need for an English national anthem @Examiner @yorkshirepost @BBCLeeds https://t.co/vRvzgYKJpq
@Examiner @yorkshirepost @BBCLeeds Andy Mycock argues World Cup highlights need for an English national anthem https://t.co/vRvzgYKJpq
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@HuddersfieldUni @UoHHealthSocSci Andy Mycock argues World Cup highlights need for an English national anthem https://t.co/vRvzgYKJpq
RT @democraticaudit: Andy Mycock of @hudpolitics on why the England football team needs an English anthem for the World Cup https://t.co/Ows…
England is part of the UK, so the national anthem is entirely appropriate.
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Whilst i appreciate that God save the queen is a dirge of royalist nonsense, i dont want the country i live in to be represented by what is essentially a Christian song in jerusalem. Millions of people in England are atheist(35%) or muslims (4.8 %) or hindus (1%) and jerusalem does not represent them imo. There’ll always be an england almost makes it but it does talk of an empire we dont have any more. I have no idea what to replace the national anthem with though, maybe someone should write one, so long as it’s not andrew lloyd webber!
Thanks Marcus, perhaps surprising that none of our experts picked up on this point. Jerusalem might get over the Englishness problem but not the religious one. It’s far more identifiably Christian than God Save the Queen.
the groundswell of opinion for jerusalem is (i believe, because it has a decent tune and mentions our green and pleasant land, which certainly gets me all misty eyed. I live in Shropshire, a green and pleasant land and that’s what England is to me, green and beautiful to look at. It’s just a shame there is the religious content in there. I’d defend anyones right to believe in what they want and can accept that there are good things that have been done in it’s name. But as a committed atheist like many others, i would like to hear something that includes everyone, whatever their belief. surely that’s not beyond the wit of some of our great musicians.
I’m the last post -so to speak -on link below-something I wrote about England team singing the right national anthem
https://t.co/JhdCsuJHDM
Jerusalem is perfect for an English national anthem. It has all the hallmarks of a great anthem: great tune, the whiff of revolution, and being largely incomprehensible.
Can’t agree with the criticism of Flower of Scotland in the first post. Lament, nostalgia, a snipe at the English, lovely tune, and not (thank God) the dreadful and unsingable Scotland the Brave. Speaking as half-Scot half-English and a rugby fan, what’s not to like?
Thanks for the comment Nick. I like your point about a good anthem being incomprehensible – one reason I like the US anthem.
“England shouldn’t appropriate the civic anthem of our multinational state”. Sunder Katwala of @BritishFuture https://t.co/HX6aD6Hnwq
Brilliant piece on the folly of England players singing ‘God save the Queen’ at the World Cup: https://t.co/FJ1CzMlYIb feat. @RepublicStaff
P A T R I O T I S M : L O Y A L T Y // T O // A // N A T I O N ; // N O T // A // N A T I O N ‘ S // I N S T I T… https://t.co/e1EBLaYmvA
If England players must sing the national anthem at the football World Cup, it should not be… https://t.co/EhjKEYvthG
If England players must sing the ‘national’ anthem at the football World Cup, it should not be ‘God Save the Queen’ https://t.co/yO7WRB9yzP
Roy Hodgson right to insist England players sing national anthem.. but whose anthem? @ProfCopusLG on Democratic Audit https://t.co/p7eU4TPSfs
RT @RepublicStaff: “Hodgson makes the common enough mistake of associating patriotism with the monarchy” https://t.co/iUNxyRFzH0
England should sing Jerusalem https://t.co/f0PpqmPb5z
England should not sing God Save the Queen https://t.co/f0PpqmPb5z
Should England have its own anthem? @sundersays it probably can’t be Football’s Coming Home. Jerusalem fits the bill https://t.co/VaX4vyQLg6
If England players must sing the national anthem at the football World Cup, it should not be ‘God Save the Queen’ https://t.co/RUmIH24654
England players shouldn’t be singing an anthem about the monarchy @GrahamSmith_ of @Republicstaff on Democratic Audit https://t.co/ORhjKNkzCu
“England will be only nation to play in the World Cup without a state to its name.” @sundersays on Democratic Audit https://t.co/c0VHAbDOAV
If England players must sing the national anthem at the football World Cup, it should not be ‘God Save the Queen’ https://t.co/7dFz0R9FBH